I have questions following the bug report 12364:
1 - Is a patronymic/Matronymic name a surname or given name ?
For gramps this name is stored in the surname field.
2 - When we use filtering for report creation, if we use " Given names replaced, and data removed",
is the following snapshot correct ? Living surname is a patronymic/matronymic surname.
For my cases, Belgium, 16th & 17th century, patronymics seem to be more used as a second given name rather than a surname. For Russian patronymics, I’m not qualified to answer, but they look like they’re not considered part of the surname [please correct me if I’m mistaken]. I’ve chosen the following name format in preferences: “Primary[sur] Primary[con] Notpatronymic, Given Patronymic[sur] Suffix Primary[pre]”, since this seems to best match my requirements. So “$Surname”, [Living given name] [Living patronymic/matronymic] was what I was expecting here as well, rather than "$Surname [Living surname], [Living given name]. To me, it would also make sense that if the father is deceased, that you can then show the patronymic, since their full name will already be shown, and the patronymic can be fully derived from the father’s name. Likewise for the mother + matronymic.
After looking on the web, we have the following urls and certainly others:
In some cultures, a surname, family name, or last name is the portion of one's personal name that indicates their family, tribe or community.
Practices vary by culture. The family name may be placed at either the start of a person's full name, as the forename, or at the end; the number of surnames given to an individual also varies. As the surname indicates genetic inheritance, all members of a family unit may have identical surnames or there may be variations; for example, a woman might marr...
A patronymic surname is a surname originated from the given name of the father or a patrilineal ancestor. Different cultures have different ways of producing patronymic surnames.
For example, early patronymic Welsh surnames were the result of the Anglicizing of the historical Welsh naming system, which sometimes had included references to several generations: e.g., Llywelyn ap Gruffydd ap Morgan (Llywelyn son of Gruffydd son of Morgan), and which gave rise to the quip, "as long as a Welshman's p...
As nouns the difference between surname and patronymic is that surname is a name that indicates to which family a person belongs, normally following that person’s given name(s) in western culture, and preceding it in eastern while patronymic is...
A patronymic, or patronym, is a component of a personal name based on the given name of one's father, grandfather (avonymic), or an earlier male ancestor. A component of a name based on the name of one's mother or a female ancestor is a matronymic. A name based on the name of one's child is a teknonymic or paedonymic. Each is a means of conveying lineage.
Patronymics are still in use, including mandatory use, in many countries worldwide, although their use has largely been replaced by or transfo...
A matronymic is a personal name based on the given name of one's mother, grandmother, or any female ancestor. It is the female equivalent of a patronymic. Around the world, matronymic surnames are far less common than patronymic surnames. In some cultures in the past, matronymic last names were often given to children of unwed mothers. Or if a woman was especially well known or powerful, her descendants might adopt a matronym based on her name. A matronymic is a derived name, as ...
I think gramps use the correct way to add them to the surname.
But I may be wrong.
Will link the above references into the Wiki’s
Genealogy Glossary at:
An observation of what Gramps is currently doing.
A person with a single surname with the origin set Patronymic and with the Group As override set gets grouped as if they have no surname information.
FYI: my Name display is
Given Surname, Suffix
[Missing Surname] is the result of the
Bug 0012333 and the corresponding Pull Request 1269.
Yes I saw that. Can you create a bug report ?
Fix is being rolled into version 5.1.5 of Gramps