Using Patronimic changes displayed name

about 1700 a child was bapised. Aaltje daughter of Teunis. From then she is known as Aaltje Teunisse. I entered it: First name Aaltje, last name Teunisse. Then to indicate her last name is a patronimic switched the origin (or root) to patronimic. Now here name is suddenly displayed as Teunisse, Aaltje Teunisse. And the only thing I can do to prevent this is switching off the patronimic option. Her name should display as Teunisse, Aaltje. But still making it clear that her lastname has a patronimic origin. Since this is her preferred name I do not want to add an alternative if possible. (There is no alternative) How can I do that?

AIO64-5.2.4-r1-1f16a69, windows11pro

This probably is not the problem, but it needs to be verified.

Please double-check an additional level of Name options: the Name Display settings

In Edit → Preferences Data tab tab, what is the “Name format:” setting?

Is the “Display As:” override set?

In the Name tab of the Edit Person dialog that you screen captured, double-click the highlighted name to open the Name Editor.

The name format:
Primair[sur] Primair[con] Non-patronimic, Firstname Patronimic[sur] Suffix Primair[pre] (Nickname) (callname)
It seems to have worked until recent, I have never observed this change before.(but could have missed it??)
The ‘display as’ stands as default.

Ok. That custom Name Format is likely to be the key issue.

I am not sure what the problem is. But at least people will start looking at the appropriate code.

And since you are using 5.2, the custom name format also needs to be tested in 6.0 … since 5.2 is unlikely to be patched.

Ok. Meaning I leave it as is?

It would help if you export Teunisse, Aaltje as a 1-person uncompressed Gramps XML (.gramps file with no media) and attach it to this thread.

This would allow Experimenters to more easily reproduce your issue.

The easiest way to do make the single-person export filter is: copy her to the clipboard, select her on the clipboard, then use the clipboard’s context menu to create a filter for her.

I expect the Name Display problem to exist with with a 1-person tree. But there is a (very) remote possibility that this Patronymic issue also needs the father to exist too.

Since fathers name might be John, the patronimic given to his children would be entered as Johnson. Making the patronime not dependable from a father (or the given matronime the same as the first name of mother) within Gramps. So suspect neither parent is needed.

Your export included your Sources, Citations, … That is why it is so large.

You might want to remove all unused objects (multiple times until everythig is gone).

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The nice thing about the uncompressed .gramps file is that you can view it with any text editor. This inspection lets you determine when there is extra stuff and learn how to limit exposing private data.

Your display name is using the Primary Surname, Given + Patronymic Surname.

In your example the surname is both the Primary and Patronymic. The same surname is used twice.

In this example I gave the father’s name as Teunis Smith. Smith becomes the Primary and Teunisse as the patronymic.

The displayed name might be one used in Russia where the middle name is the patronymic.

Without knowing the cultural use of names it is impossible to advise you. But just because a name is patronymic does not mean you need to use special surname formatting for the display name. In Iceland, the surname is patronymic. It just means that their surname would be either Johansdotter or Johansson. There is no need to use special surname formatting. Surname, Given would suffice.

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Which wouldn’t work in my case, as the person didn’t have a surname, you can’t leave the surname empty and then add a patroniem

NOTE: @ursus you are correct. I was only saving the name editor. When I saved Aaltje’s record, the empty primary name was stripped out.

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If Primair[sur] Primair[con] Non-patronimic, Firstname Patronimic[sur] Suffix Primair[pre] (Nickname) (callname) is your default display name setting (set in Preferences) for all records, you can create a new display name option and in Aaltje’s name editor record you can override the default display name to this other option.

Yes Dave, I thought about that. I would have to remember switching it from default for quite a number of my existing records, but it would work.

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