Hi guys, just noticed that on the Wiki, for Names, there is not any info on what purpose “Date” serves on names. Like, I can see the utility as a data record keeping.
However, I don’t see where this is employed by Gramps. What could be cool is events showing (in Primary e.g.) that the name changes if dates are added for names, for example an individual becoming a Prince/Princess upon marrying one e.g., or otherwise becomes King/Queen. Also, seeing these date spans for names in the names tab would be great to see also, currently this is hidden until you click the name for more info/adjustments.
Can detail on the functionality that Date provides be added to the wiki, as would be good to see what this can be used for.
Dates for names and places are applied in Reports, Gramplets and elsewhere.
You need to make certain that the Preferred Name also have a Date range. If that date field is left blank, Gramps doesn’t know when to override with an Alternative name, even though that does have a date,
In the the following posting, a dated “Reign Name” with an override “display as” (Title Given SUFFIX) format was applied along with the different Given and Surname.
I saw that formatting, and indeed have applied the logic used in, as that is how my project is going to be going forward.
I was more wondering to the display of names. As I suggested, though, would be cool if events, if name span given, does override. As you can see in the below image, Edward has name spans for both birth and an alias, yet the marriage even, which fits in the alias’s usage span, still notes his birth name as the name used at the time
How exactly does then the appearing in reports and elsewhere operate then, outside of appearing as “also known as” or “Reign Name” from x date to y date? Can I have some clarification there please .
Was suggesting, if possible, that events could take the date from the names (if there, if not, it will just fall back to preferred name), and display (so in my example the family would become HM King Philip and HM Queen Eliveta e.g., rather than simply the preferred name of each.
My understanding is that the Names for specific date ranges ARE what is used. Provided that the Preferred name has been set and doesn’t overlap. (This profile an “after” date originally … which had a +50 year range … which only covered to 6 Feb 2002. Then 5.2 added open-ended “From” and I needed to update the profile. )
Hopefully Dave will jump into the conversation. He’s used Name variations far more. The 5.3 deadlines are looming and time available for experimenting is very limited.
The date in the Name record is informational only. As one of the posts shows, Queen Elizabeth became Queen on 6 Feb 1952. It is a piece of information.
No report that I know of displays an alternate name based upon the event’s date. It would have to be an Event report and I know for my work, that type of report would not assist me in my work. The other problem would be overlapping dates of alternate names overlapping each other.
Using the Queen Elizabeth example, the Queen name record has a short version of her title. Her full title is much longer.
I just tested one of my main report options, the Complete Individual. It displays all alternative names with the Name type. It does not print any dates from those records.
My other main report (for cousins) is the Narrative Web. The alternative names are displayed. I need to do a better test making sure a record with name dates is part of the report.
I do have a feature request in to have the date added to the tab’s Names list. My attempts to modify the code have not been successful.
Do you think that it would be a good idea to piggyback a request to add an Age column next to the Date column? (Perhaps with a reminder that the Age rounding preferences feature was added recently in PR#1615. So there’s less chance of a 2nd round of rework.)
Never thought of it. My Feature Request has been in for a while, and it hasn’t generated a throng of users clamoring that it needs to get done. Adding an age request couldn’t hurt.
thank you both.
Indeed I am familiar with the fact that Her late Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II had many other titles, and these were Commonwealth Realm dependent.
For that end, I would be simply adding it into a note.
However, this addition of an age column would definitely be useful at least as a visual perspective. It is a shame no report does change names based upon event. An example outside of royalty could be a widowed woman retaining her partners name until remarriage (which I think currently, she would only be shown with her primary name), and then she takes on that surname.
I presume then, as no report does it, no event will pick up that data also (so, to use the example of Elizabeth, her partner, Philip, born a dynast of the house of (Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-)Glücksburg, would be shown marrying Elizabeth with that surname as far as I can tell, not Mountbatten, and otherwise being shown as HRH Prince Philip, which was not his style on the day of his marriage (it was Lieutenant HRH Sir Philip Mountbatten). What I am saying/putting forward as an idea is, like places can take date data for events and change compared to that input, names could do the same for their events, such as marriage, ennoblement, divorce etc…
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