Thanks, that makes sense.
And as I said, a completely expanded tree with (as in my case) >2,000 persons is a bit unpractical anyway. It’s fun being able to see it, but difficult to navigate.
I have the Interactive Family Tree addon mentioned by @stuck installed. >when choosing the “All relatives” option it shows absolutely everything, but generations are not kept on the same level vertically but scattered all over the place. Fun being able to see all persons, but impractical (see screenshot).
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What do you think about the idea of adding a new set of arrows above the one to expand a person’s spouses that would allow for a person’s relationships, whether they come from the relationships themselves or from people who share a role in the person’s events such as the witness at their birth or marriage or their godparents, to be displayed?
It would look something like this:
The idea came to me while reading the new features of MFT11, in the Influential Persons section.
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@ztlxltl screenshot as requested. I don’t see a problem / bug, what I see is what I expect to see:
EDITED TO ADD:
- The home and active person is off the top of the screen shot.
- There are no filters on the db.
- The number of generations in the config dialog are the same as in my previous post.
- The expanders are set the same as in this post.
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I noted that you [ @ztlxltl ] use the Themes addon as one of your standards. Where a patch didn’t work unless the themes was installed.
Perhaps you could leverage the Toolbar text option in Themes to reduce these buttons by optionally eliminating the labels. While you could add a configuration option, it would simplify interactions to use a single soft switch checkbox. (That is to say, if the user is expert enough to not need labels on the toolbar, they probably do not need labels on FTV toolbars.)
The oddity [compared to the Gramps view toolbar] is that your toolbar has Labels in the default state. Whereas the view toolbar does NOT have Labels by default. To sync with the Themes checkboxes it would have to change the default behavior dependent on whether Themes was installed.
Hmmm. Maybe we could convince @Nick-Hall to re-consider the default state of the View Toolbar to have Labels and be more friendly to newbies? The Themes could be the expert path that allows hiding the labels. (The Navigator label hiding preference option could be moved to Themes too.)
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I only installed the Themes addon the other day, after @ztlxltl fixed the crash that appeared if the Themes addon was missing. I did so to see if tweaking the Theme, and/or the Font & font size, fixed the problem with the, randomly occurring, partial rendering of the buttons.
As yet, I’ve not found anything that helps, except reducing the font size 5 pt, but of course that makes everything too small to read, making the cure worse than the disease. I’m not sure if I tried messing with the Toolbar Text tick box though so I’ll experiment further.
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Supporting that Themes option is another wishlist item for FTV.
Right now, it only affects the Gramps Toolbar
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Started another thread about creating another Colors scheme for printing.
The default Preferences colors for Other gender conflict with the Home Person color. Both are bright green.
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To extend this thought a little further… maybe you could consider including the Historical Context add-on’s event list in the options for event display in the FTV panel. Perhaps it could be another drop-down event type list item for Historical Context and an option to include it in the configure setting if the user has that Gramplet/add-on installed.
You have done so much already I feel bad even asking for this!
brian
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@stuck
Thanks for the screenshot.
Your screenshot looks as expected and I think there is just a misunderstanding.
What @hamkg described refers to the active person. Since your active person is not yourself, your grandparents are not affected in your screenshot and their nephews/nieces show up. If you select yourself as the active person, you should not see the nephews/nieces of your grandparents.
Agreed, case closed!
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@PLegoux
I’m not sure exactly what you want to show when these new expanders are expanded. In general, the tree should show the connection between people and families. Including events (e.g. a witness to an event) can cause confusion because you cannot really connect the witness to the event, only to the person. If the person has multiple events with different witnesses. There would be a bunch of people connected to this person and the expander would have to be described as “expand all witnesses of all events of this person”. If you are looking at not only witnesses but also other roles, this quickly gets quite complex.
What I think would be possible and make sense is to show only the associated people / “Associations” (I think associated people was touched on earlier in this thread). I’ll put it on my list to think about if this kind of expanders make sense, but it will take some time.
Disclaimer: My understanding is that “you” in @emyoulation’s comment refers to me, not @stuck. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but this way the following makes more sense:
I only installed it to test the addon with dark mode and didn’t uninstall it for testing from time to time. 
Do you think this is necessary? If you are referring to the size issue of the info box, I highly doubt this will solve the problem (the buttons will get smaller and the size request of the Gtk box will get smaller and therefore the info box will get smaller).
This is not really an oddity, as I added them on purpose.
I’m not sure if synchronizing them would cause more confusion than help.
I think this is a reasonable proposal, and I’ve wondered about this before. But in my experience, the buttons with their tooltips are pretty self-explanatory, but maybe I’m not the demographic a change like this would target.
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If you added parent expander(s) for the Spouse(s) of the Active Person, it would give most of the needed subset selection features.
As an example, I might want to gift new parents or newlyweds (or my siblings) a print of their joint pedigree. If there is a child, it is easy… making the child the active person and boosting the ancestor generations creates a nice pedigree chart to output to SVG and tweak. For my sibling and in‐law (or newlyweds) without offspring, it is necessary to create a placeholder child.
The Person-oriented rather than Family-oriented Charts is consistent throughout the Charts category. I just think it misses an opportunity.
Family-oriented Fan Chart illustration
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What do you think this option should affect in FTV?
In general, I think these kinds of settings should not affect other parts of the interface, as they are rather specific. But I agree that there may be people who would like to be able to hide certain labels in FTV if the icons are self-explanatory.
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Thanks, but: No, definitely don’t! I’m happy for any ideas, and I think this one definitely makes sense.
In general, the timeline is still not ideal. Ranges/spans are not visualized as such, and sometimes there are many lines that are hard to follow. I have some ideas about these issues but it just takes time to implement all the ideas I have in my head.
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Any feature that has a labeled icon. (Unlabeling the icons reduces the localization/translation burden too.)
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OK. I see your motivation here. I believe a family oriented tree can be possible, I have something in mind. I’ll put it on my list.
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I mentioned one possible design for that previously, but probably it could be improved.
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I’ve added a preference option to set the toolbar style in PR #1891.
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That sample doesn’t actually contain any GEDCOM-L dialect tags … even though the header identifies as that version.
If the GEDCOM-L lines from the header are removed and the invalid trailing blank line, then the sample is fully compliant with the 5.5.1 GEDCOM standard.
3 _ADDENDUM GEDCOM-L Addendum
4 VERS R2 (2020-12-01)
4 WWW https://genealogy.net/GEDCOM