Is it serious doc?

PLegoux · December 30, 2020, 7:15pm

I’ve recently upgraded to 5.1.3-2 on win10. Now, I don’t know why gramps startup cmd window is always there behind gramps itself. It’s not a problem I don’t see that window. But looking at its content I can see a lot of error messages. They seems not critical since Gramps is still running but what do you think about them?

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_event_controller_reset: assertion ‘GTK_IS_EVENT_CONTROLLER (controller)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_event_controller_reset: assertion ‘GTK_IS_EVENT_CONTROLLER (controller)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_filter_get_path: assertion ‘GTK_TREE_MODEL_FILTER (model)->priv->stamp == iter->stamp’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_filter_get_path: assertion ‘GTK_TREE_MODEL_FILTER (model)->priv->stamp == iter->stamp’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea2df0cad7379d435724643dc6d not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_scroll_to_point: assertion ‘gtk_widget_get_realized (GTK_WIDGET (tree_view))’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_event_controller_reset: assertion ‘GTK_IS_EVENT_CONTROLLER (controller)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: gdkproperty-win32.c:199: OpenClipboard failed: Accès refusé.

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea2e47f84c4124781c8f6901a3b not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time: assertion ‘GDK_IS_FRAME_CLOCK (frame_clock)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_scroll_to_point: assertion ‘gtk_widget_get_realized (GTK_WIDGET (tree_view))’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: gdkproperty-win32.c:199: OpenClipboard failed: Accès refusé.
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea2e65438cb6a22ce362b4e0a1d not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_event_controller_reset: assertion ‘GTK_IS_EVENT_CONTROLLER (controller)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time: assertion ‘GDK_IS_FRAME_CLOCK (frame_clock)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: gdkproperty-win32.c:199: OpenClipboard failed: Accès refusé.

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea2e773c467701617244417d8ef not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: gdkproperty-win32.c:199: OpenClipboard failed: Accès refusé.

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time: assertion ‘GDK_IS_FRAME_CLOCK (frame_clock)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_scroll_to_point: assertion ‘gtk_widget_get_realized (GTK_WIDGET (tree_view))’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_scroll_to_point: assertion ‘gtk_widget_get_realized (GTK_WIDGET (tree_view))’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea2e9175efcfa09b03f682d85e not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: gdkproperty-win32.c:199: OpenClipboard failed: Accès refusé.

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_scroll_to_point: assertion ‘gtk_widget_get_realized (GTK_WIDGET (tree_view))’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea2ff31ce8b6cb0f668f441c4f0 not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time: assertion ‘GDK_IS_FRAME_CLOCK (frame_clock)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea2ffdbbd345a82ada2aa9a756 not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time: assertion ‘GDK_IS_FRAME_CLOCK (frame_clock)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
Warning: SQLite: Exception occurred in callback function.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\utils\callback.py”, line 405, in emit
fn(*args)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\plugins\view\citationtreeview.py”, line 206, in _source_row_add
self.row_add(handle_list)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\listview.py”, line 745, in row_add
list(map(self.model.add_row_by_handle, handle_list))
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gui\views\treemodels\treebasemodel.py”, line 753, in add_row_by_handle
(self.search and self.search.match(handle, self.db)):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 75, in match
if self.apply(db, [handle]):
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 263, in apply
res = m(db, id_list, user, tupleind, tree)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 193, in check_and
person = self.find_from_handle(db, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\filters_genericfilter.py”, line 334, in find_from_handle
return db.get_citation_from_handle(handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1288, in get_citation_from_handle
return self._get_from_handle(CITATION_KEY, Citation, handle)
File “C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.1.3\gramps\gen\db\generic.py”, line 1270, in _get_from_handle
raise HandleError(‘Handle %s not found’ % handle)
gramps.gen.errors.HandleError: Handle ea3017a49c51b66ec99960053a4 not found

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time: assertion ‘GDK_IS_FRAME_CLOCK (frame_clock)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_scroll_to_point: assertion ‘gtk_widget_get_realized (GTK_WIDGET (tree_view))’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
2020-12-30 14:39:55.366: WARNING: uimanager.py: line 386: **Duplicate Accelerator i
2020-12-30 14:39:55.367: WARNING: uimanager.py: line 386: **Duplicate Accelerator b
2020-12-30 14:39:55.370: WARNING: uimanager.py: line 386: **Duplicate Accelerator u
2020-12-30 14:39:55.371: WARNING: uimanager.py: line 386: **Duplicate Accelerator z
2020-12-30 14:39:55.372: WARNING: uimanager.py: line 386: **Duplicate Accelerator z

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_event_controller_reset: assertion ‘GTK_IS_EVENT_CONTROLLER (controller)’ failed

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934
2020-12-30 16:51:43.594: WARNING: _options.py: line 955: get_subject not implemented for det_descendant_report_i

(gramps.exe:13412): Gdk-WARNING **: Failed to OpenClipboard on window handle 0000000001360934

EDIT:

Note about handle not found : I’ve verified, they exists in XML export file of my database with a regular underscore at the begining

emyoulation · December 30, 2020, 9:00pm

Try opening Gramps in safe mode from the Command Line Interface. The last couple upgrades have had conflicts in the preferences files or needed the GraphViz application to be re-installed. (GraphViz is a prerequisite for some the graphic tools. But it has some installer idiosyncracies and an very unforgiving Gramps .ini Configuration file.) Once I cleaned up those, the persistent CLI dialogs went away.

On the other hand, when I quit Gramps last night, the floating clipboard dialog never closed. I had to use Task Manager to kill it this morning. So it is a bit eerie to see your error report with clipboard complaint today.

zebulon · December 31, 2020, 11:37am

Not sure I remember well (and if its your problem) but i think there was a plugin (a view ?) installed twice.
I’d uninstalled them and had reinstalled one after.

Best regards.

system · January 30, 2021, 11:37am

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