I may have asked this a while back - I don’t remember for sure, and I cannot find anything suitable with searching.
How do I set up the “Enclosed By” entries for countries like Ireland, Scotland and Wales? I have them as enclosed by United Kingdom with the effective date of that merger. It works great for events that happened after 1801. For events before the merger, I want it to show something like “Dublin, Leinster, Ireland”. No further enclosure. Instead I get “Dublin, Leinster, ?”.
I tried adding a new enclosure to Ireland with no name, but Gramps will not permit that.
the South is always Eire a top level country
the North is always Northern Ireland still part of the UK
My version of UK includes Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Man and yes I know the last two are Crown dependencies and not strictly part of the UK.
The top tiers are not really much functional use, primarily it is counties and for these I use the historic counties. The fact that Eire was until 1921 part of the UK is really only an administrative detail and is of course noted but not in terms of physical places.
Like you could argue that the UK was enclosed by an Administrative area called the EEC or latterly the EU but I do not go to the continental level
I have Ireland as part of the U.K. “after 1801-01-01” rather than using a from range. Yeah, I need to do something with how it split into Northern Ireland and Ireland - but for now I am interested in events that happened before 1801.
Does specifying an “after” date instead of a “from-to” range change how it works? For me it does not stop at Ireland. It stops at a question mark.
Then an event dated today would display that the event occurred in the UK.
A question mark is for dates attached to the place name and any alternative names. The question mark indicates that Gramps could not find a valid name to display for the date of the event. If you are seeing a question mark in the displayed name in the place lists, it means there is no valid place name that Gramps can find for today.
Hmmm… I took another look at how I have Ireland defined.
The first name in the record is “Kingdom of Ireland” which is dated “from 1542 to 1801-01-01”. There is an alternate name “Ireland” which is dated “after 1801-01-01”.
The event that raised this problem is the death of John de Stanley (1350-1413). His death place shows at “Dublin, Leinster, ?”
OK, that explains it … There is no name for dates before 1542. That date is when Henry VIII created the title “King of Ireland”. The English were influential for several centuries before that, back to at least 1171 when Henry II was asked to help eject Viking invaders.
I changed the date range to “From 1000 to 1801-01-01” and that fixed up the display problem with John de Stanley.
There is much more to the history of Ireland, and my configuration does not do it justice. That is a task for another day, though.
