How to show a Wedding date

Joop · October 22, 2024, 1:06pm

I want to enter a wedding date of 2 people, so that I can see that date in the graph, no idea where I can enter that.

win11 GRAMPS: AIO64-5.2.3-r1-aa03f5a

csam · October 22, 2024, 1:38pm

You do this by creating a family. If the two persons are already created, you can just chose them using the [select] buttons, otherwise create the persons by clicking the [+] buttons.
Next add a wedding event.
That’s it.

emyoulation · October 22, 2024, 1:43pm

The following wiki article talks about adding Events in the Family Editor. (Specifically, it discusses leaving the relationship as “Married” even after adding a “Divorce” event.)

https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/Indicate_a_divorce

When “Adding” the first Event in the Family, Gramps ‘guesses’ the event type will be a Marriage. If a Marriage event exists, the new Event Editor form ‘guesses’ the next type will be a Divorce.

A “Marriage” event must be added to a Family with the “Family” role. It needs a date to be properly inserted in a timeline. And a Place with coordinates to be plotted on a map. It needs both (date and coordinates) to be plotted on a timeline map.

Note: the default new relationship type is “unknown”. Since most relationships being entered are likely to be “Married”, there is an input option in Preferences to change that “default family relationship”. This saves an input action for the majority of the data being entered.

Joop · October 23, 2024, 10:26am

This is how I want to see it. Jacob married Teetje on 12 Augustus 1921, but there is nothing in between for Lammer and Aaltje, so how get I their wedding date in that place.

Joop · October 23, 2024, 10:28am

Csam, the family’s are already created, and when I use the select butto I can only take one, not two for a connection

Nick-Hall · October 23, 2024, 10:41am

Edit the family and add a marriage event as previously suggested by @csam.

Joop · October 23, 2024, 11:00am

OK, I added the date, but I only see two rings I think, but I am a bit further where to look, thanks all so far

DaveSch · October 23, 2024, 11:10am

The double rings are the genealogical symbol for marriage.

In your Preferences on the Genealogical Symbols tab you can de-select the Use symbols options making the alternatives available. The symbols are repeated as the options but you can change them to other symbols or type in words or abbreviations.

Nick-Hall · October 23, 2024, 2:13pm

The marriage symbol without a date implies that the marriage event is found, but not the date. Check that the date is not empty.

csam · October 23, 2024, 2:21pm

May I suggest to use the “Relationship” category. In this view you easily edit both Person and Family.

emyoulation · October 23, 2024, 2:22pm

There are many ways that data can be made unintelligible to Gramps.

Marriage Events must have the correct Role (‘Family’) and be in the Family events tab, not a Person events tab. Drag’n’drop of an event to another Event tab sets the role to ‘unknown’ and this must be corrected.
Dates should be entered in one of the known formats. Otherwise it will be stored as text and not be used in calculations.
Places used for Event can only be plotted on the Geography maps if they have coordinates that have been set in the Place Editor.

I am not sure which marital status would be 2 rings separated. Marriage Events show up as interlocked rings.

Even if you enter invalid dates for Events, that text is shown in the diagram. In the following, the date was the invalid text string of “unmarried”

In your screen capture, most of the dates are in format that cannot be parsed. The dd-mm-yyyy format is not one of those recognized. They show as Boldface in the Events tab and those dates are red in the Event editor. The dates for Oord, Jacob has lower case month names. My guess that your data was imported. These dates need to revalidated. (There are other threads that discuss some automation.)

Nick-Hall · October 23, 2024, 2:27pm

The separated rings would represent a divorce event. Perhaps the family has a custom wedding event that is not recognised and a divorce event that is being used as a fallback?

emyoulation · October 23, 2024, 2:41pm

Those divorces are marked as ⚮ “2 adjacent rings with a vertical bar betwixt” on my diagrams. Tried a bunch of different marital events and never discovered the “2 rings spaced apart”.

This is also supposedly an infinity lemniscate negated with a vertical bar. (Doesn’t look like the ∞ Infinity symbol to me. The same source lists the Infinity symbol as another marriage symbol for genealogy.)

Nick-Hall · October 23, 2024, 2:47pm

Possibly a fallback symbol, or a different font?

It’s difficult to know without seeing the data.

DaveSch · October 23, 2024, 2:55pm

The symbols go with the event not with the Family Type and Gramps does not have an event type “Unmarried”. Maybe a fallback is needed if no family event is found defaulting to the family type.

One of the symbols is for Killed and again Killed is not an event type so will never appear in any Gramps view or report.

emyoulation · October 23, 2024, 3:02pm

That’s true.

@Joop , could you open Edit → Preferences and capture your “Genealogical Symbol” tab? Mine looks like:

emyoulation · October 23, 2024, 3:10pm

While reviewing this question, it seemed that the Pedigree View wiki docs could use some expansion about indicators for particular conditions. Or maybe it should reference the dated Event were for Birth, Death, Marriage or fallbacks. Then the Genealogical symbol preferences could be documented in the Fallback Events wiki section.

There is a tooltip for a person box that is more expansive about the data summarized in the box. Perhaps a tooltip for the Marriage data would be similarly informative. It could have the Relationship Type and the Marriage event (or fallback) with Event Type, date, place.

I looked at the source for the Marriage data and realized that it will take a good bit more digging:

github.com

gramps-project/gramps/blob/5981c63a73578758fa6129513c71461ac12eff84/gramps/plugins/view/pedigreeview.py#L1268


      
          
          ####################################################################
          # Show marriage data
          ####################################################################
          if self.show_marriage_data and (
              self.tree_style == 1
              and positions[i][2]
              or (self.tree_style in [0, 2] and level + 1 < size)
          ):
              if lst[i] and lst[i][2]:
                  text = self.format_helper.format_relation(lst[i][2], 1, True)
              else:
                  text = " "
              label = Gtk.Label(label=text)
              label.set_justify(Gtk.Justification.LEFT)
              label.set_use_markup(True)
              label.set_line_wrap(True)
              label.set_halign(Gtk.Align.START)
              if self.tree_style in [0, 2]:
                  x_pos = (1 + _width) * (level + 1) + 1
                  y_pos = _delta // 2 + offset * _delta - 1 + _height // 2

github.com

gramps-project/gramps/blob/e84b26dddf4c6da66ae1b9b5271eacbc4971e500/gramps/gen/utils/libformatting.py#L83-L139


      
          def format_relation(self, family, line_count, use_markup=False):
              """Format a relation between parents of a family"""
              if not family:
                  return ""
              if use_markup:
                  if family.handle in self._markup_cache:
                      if line_count in self._markup_cache[family.handle]:
                          return self._markup_cache[family.handle][line_count]
              else:
                  if family.handle in self._text_cache:
                      if line_count in self._text_cache[family.handle]:
                          return self._text_cache[family.handle][line_count]
          
              text = ""
              marriage = get_marriage_or_fallback(self.dbstate.db, family)
              if marriage and use_markup and marriage.get_type() != EventType.MARRIAGE:
                  mdate = "<i>%s %s</i>" % (self.marr, escape(get_date(marriage)))
                  mplace = "<i>%s</i>" % escape(
                      self.get_place_name(marriage.get_place_handle())
                  )

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stuck · October 23, 2024, 6:05pm

Like the OP I’m using win11 GRAMPS: AIO64-5.2.3-r1-aa03f5a.

My Genealogical Symbols prefs also has “2 rings spaced apart” as the symbol for marriage. Since I presume you, and others, are using a Linux version does that not suggest this is a Windows+font issue?

EDITED TO ADD: screen dump

DaveSch · October 23, 2024, 6:40pm

But the two rings spaced apart or offered up as a replacement symbol.

If you Use symbols, the default option supplied by Gramps, it is ⚭, the overlapping rings.

comeng · October 23, 2024, 7:01pm

GRAMPS: 5.1.6
Python: 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [G…
BSDDB: 6.2.9 (5, 3, 28)
sqlite: 3.37.2 (2.6.0)
LANG: en_GB.UTF-8
OS: Linux
Distribution: 6.8.0-47-generic

I do not use Symbols
The double spaced rings is shown clearly on the Pedigree view
phil

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