Gramps provide great functionality for enclosing a historic place with another, such as “Main Hospital” enclosed by “Main Street”. I wondered how others are enclosing a historic, numbered street address. For instance, “1 Acacia Avenue” is a house enclosed by “Acacia Avenue”. If there are multiple houses recorded in that avenue, then it works well in the Gramps database, you drill down from “Acacia Avenue” to the individual houses (an example is when ancestors lived in the same street). However, it results in repetition in the narrated Web site, where the house will show as “1 Acacia Avenue, Acacia Avenue”. I can’t see a way round this and data integrity in the database is more important than the report so I guess it is an acceptable compromise. Who do others think ?
In the Places I only go down to the Town or Neighborhood, not to the street. Gramps has an address tab for that purpose.
I use the facility a lot have found for me the best idea is to have
Acacia Avenue, 1, then 2,3,4 come along, I then create the Street as
place so I have Acacia Avenue once and within that the house numbers
1,2,3,4 etc
The benefit of doing the house numbers (also do house names same
way)after the name is that they group themselves better and it is easier
to see the same street
Phil
Welcome!
Currently there is no way to have Gramps automatically shorten an address for subsequent instances of the place. Before migrating to Gramps I would often forgo adding a place name to a death if it was the same as the birth. But this was losing the information for the next generation continuing my efforts.
Actually, you should create the street record " Acacia Avenue" with the type Street. The next level down will be just the house number “1” with the type Number, With this method there would be “1 Acacia Avenue” and maybe another address for “123 Acacia Avenue”.
Now, in Preferences (menu >> Edit >> Preferences) you can set the Number Street display. With the specific place types, Street and Number you can set Gramps to automatically display either as “1 Acacia Avenue” or “Acacia Avenue 1” with the comma removed.
Currently you can have only one option for all place name displays so depending on your location and where your ancestors lived will dictate which way makes sense. Hopefully in future versions a user could set the display option depending on the country.
Thank you Phil do you just have the numbers as the place or repeat the streetname I the building as per my example. This approach would work well for me because I have generally used Place rather than Address
Martin
You can set up other Place Name Display options. My main option I have named “Number Street” with that as the Street format. But I also have a display option named “Populated Place”. This uses the Level entry “p0,-2”. When I am using Graphs this shortens all place names to just the City and State. This works for me in the U.S. Your location may need other settings.
Some views and reports allow setting the place name option for the view or report leaving another option as the default. Sometimes I need to set the default, do the graph report, then switch back to my main full option.
OK
You got me beat where is the address tab, I have Place Tree and Places
neither of which uses the word address
Phil
It is in People. You can enter an address with a date.
Never use it too limited in its scope most of my addresses are created
through Forms and cover multiple people i.e. Census
Martin
Just done one of my streets as shown in the images where I have moved 3 individual locations in the same street Logical order of viewing Places 1, Place Tree, Places 3.
Hope this explains usually only do it with 3 or more houses in same street problems with very long roads which cross multiple urban districts but not very common.
Phil
When you use a house in a street, you should only set the number. If you set “1 Acacia Avenue” for the house, this will show what you see.
Place and Address are not replacements for each other.
From my analysis of the Gramps objects and their relationships:
- Address can be attached to Person or Repository
Curiously, not to Family where it makes sense, though. - Place is attached only to an Event
And also to itself for the “Enclosed by” relationship.
The main difference between an address and a place is in the “significance”. An Address seems to have a “primary” role and can be annotated with Citations and Notes. Obviously, attributes, media and tags are missing. A Place is only referenced indirectly by an Event. Annotations can be attached both in the event (generic and global circumstances) and in the place (nearly full collection: citation, media, note, tag – attributes are missing, strange).
There also exists a Location object, very similar to an Address. It is only attached to a Place and can’t be annotated.
Usages of Address and Place are fundamentally different.
You can’t define a date range for an Address. Then it is impossible to give a validity period to it. Storing this kind of data in a note is possible but won’t be taken into account by Gramps because it is not chronological data technically. All Addresses wil be considered “equal”. An Address is “leaf data”: it is not hierarchical.
Since Place is attached to an Event, it is supposed to be valid or accurate for the date or date range of the event. Therefore, successive “addresses” can be recorded as additional information to an event of type “moving”. Since Place is hierarchical, it also tracks the various administrative changes of the lower level categories. This is useful for name changes.
Thank you it’s helpful to know there is a number object for place
Looks great thank you. So in this case you used a single number for the house with the object type Number? Also useful to see how the boundary crossing can be recorded
Martin
I have yet to have anyone in my database that have lived/events have taken place on the same street but different address (where I know the address ofc), So Currently I just put the street name and number as a single location. I might change that at some point in the future, dont know yet.
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