Gramps 6.0.3–1 Python: 3.12.11 sqlite: 3.50.1 orjson: 3.10.18 LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 Betriebssystem: Windows As a trial, I entered a mother, father and child. The relationship between the parents is set to “unmarried”. When I export to GEDCOM 5.5.1 the parents are listed as HUSB and WIFE. This lead…

Have you even read what I have been writing at all? Regarding Gramps XML: You are conflating ‘widely adopted’ with ‘technically sound.’ Gramps XML is an open-source schema that is far more capable of representing complex historical reality than GEDCOM ever was. It supports hierarchical places, even…

Thanks for the info. I can see you guys love a good bundle; I don’t plan to get involved in that. My takeaway from the answers is that GEDCOM has no way to represent that Gramps has specified a relationship between parents as Unmarried. That is a shame, since many millenials and Gen Z at least in m…

When it comes to long-term archiving from Gramps, Gramps XML is the superior format. Since it is a well-structured open standard, it will always be relatively simple to write a Python script to transcode it into any future format if needed. My personal archiving strategy is to store the Gramps XML …

[image] Greyingrey: So GEDCOM is unsuitable for porting my data. No. GEDCOM defines it precisely. The problem is that some genealogical programs do not implement the standard precisely. GEDCOM says: if there is no marriage event in a family, you should name HUSB and WIFE as partners or parent…

Unfortunately you will have to use GEDCOM if you intend to port your tree to any of the major sites Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage and just ignore the garbage that all of them produce. And using GEDCOM as you long term storage is a whole different debate phil

[image] StoltHD: I am considering developing a Gramplet-enabled module for both FITS (Flexible Image Transport System) and CIDOC CRM (Conceptual Reference Model). CIDOC CRM sounds promising. If you develop a Gramplet to export a family modeled in CIDOC CRM, I will follow you and develop a web…

Even GraphML would handle that situation without a flinch. This is exactly the kind of forward-thinking conversation we need! I am glad to see that we agree on the limitations of the INDI/FAM model when faced with the complexity of modern and historical social structures. The example you provide—J…

[image] StoltHD: Let’s move genealogy from old theology to newer ontology! Thats the motto! I just modelled the scenario in webtrees (as expected, with some limitations). Find enclosed the exported GEDCOM file. Maybe you can start entering it into Gramps. Here it is in webtrees: http://ahnent…

Another reason this will take some time is that I am currently upgrading my Research Workstation—replacing my Ryzen 9 3900X with a Ryzen 9 5950X. This hardware upgrade represents an investment of both time and money, necessitated by an extensive OCR and data extraction project I am currently develo…

[image] hartenthaler: We should consider biological, social and legal families. I like this discussion. I would encourage you to think beyond “families”. Yes, they are needed in order to support import/export with GEDCOM. But if you are trying to create a better standard, why not think differ…

Unmarried parents in GEDCOM

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Groups of groups would be nice. Also heterogeneous groups (containing more than one type of object). See this earlier discussion (in which I called them “sets” rather than “groups”).

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Unmarried parents in GEDCOM

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