# Setting up a Gramps Web server without docker - getting a blank page

**URL:** <https://gramps.discourse.group/t/setting-up-a-gramps-web-server-without-docker-getting-a-blank-page/4820>\
**Category:** Gramps Web\
**Created:** [February 6, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/setting-up-a-gramps-web-server-without-docker-getting-a-blank-page/4820 "2024-02-06T20:55:13Z")\
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**Author:** ![dsblank](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/dsblank/32/3649_2.png) [@dsblank](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/dsblank)\
**Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 12:23pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/setting-up-a-gramps-web-server-without-docker-getting-a-blank-page/4820/19 "2025-01-14T12:23:54Z")

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Did you see the post above on [gramps-web-desktop](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-web-desktop/6571)?

It is a pip-installable package with the frontend (repo has a [build command](https://github.com/dsblank/gramps-web-desktop/blob/main/make.py)). It should be possible to use both `gramps` and `gramps-web-api` without any Gtk or docker complexities. But the core gramps code still brings in some Gtk/Gdk items unnecessarily. gramps-web-api used to require a 6 GB download, but now 2.7.0 can be used without the AI stuff (except still [needs torch](https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps-web-api/pull/600) until a new version is released).

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