# Gramps thumbnails **URL:** \ **Category:** Help\ **Created:** [July 1, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690 "2024-07-01T12:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/woody/32/3406_2.png) [@Woody](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Woody)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/1 "2024-07-01T12:41:42Z")
Hi, I’m using Gramps 5.2.2. on Win11 Where can I find the folder with the thumbnails that Gramps created? I can’t find it anywhere. As I have marked individual people in group photos, I would like to use these images for my homepage. ---
**Author:** ![Nick-Hall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/nick-hall/32/95_2.png) [@Nick-Hall](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Nick-Hall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/2 "2024-07-01T12:59:17Z")
On Windows the default directories are: `\gramps\thumb\normal` and `\gramps\thumb\large`. ---
**Author:** ![Woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/woody/32/3406_2.png) [@Woody](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Woody)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 1:35pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/3 "2024-07-01T13:35:23Z")
Call me blind! But under "gramps\ " there i didn´t found the directory “\thumb” Must i somehow generate the thumbnails? ---
**Author:** ![Nick-Hall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/nick-hall/32/95_2.png) [@Nick-Hall](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Nick-Hall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/4 "2024-07-01T13:39:48Z")
The thumbnails are generated for you when required, but there is a Thumbnail Generator tool in the addons repository that can generate them for you in batch. This can be useful if your thumbnails are large and make Gramps feel sluggish when they are generated automatically. ---
**Author:** ![Woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/woody/32/3406_2.png) [@Woody](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Woody)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/5 "2024-07-01T13:58:58Z")
I have use this add on. But the directory are not there. ---
**Author:** ![Nick-Hall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/nick-hall/32/95_2.png) [@Nick-Hall](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Nick-Hall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/6 "2024-07-01T14:07:19Z")
Look for recently modified files. Alternatively use the Python Evaluation gramplet in Gramps and type: ```python from gramps.gen.const import THUMB_DIR print (THUMB_DIR) ``` My thumbnails directory is in `~/.gramps/thumb` which is the old Linux directory path prior to support for the XDG directory specification. ---
**Author:** ![Woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/woody/32/3406_2.png) [@Woody](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Woody)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/7 "2024-07-01T14:39:09Z")
The Python Evaluation gramplet works. But it says the directory are under: C\Users\xxxx\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb I found the directory to Microsoft\Windows. The directory after that is not there. I search also the last modified files. There are nothing. ---
**Author:** ![emyoulation](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/emyoulation/32/67_2.png) [@emyoulation](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/emyoulation)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/8 "2024-07-01T15:28:53Z")
> [@Nick-Hall](#): > > Alternatively use the Python Evaluation gramplet in Gramps and type: > > ```python > from gramps.gen.const import THUMB_DIR > print (THUMB_DIR) > > ``` Looking through the [`const.py`](https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/blob/master/gramps/gen/const.py) shows a [couple more Gramps variables](https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/blob/8d7b4065ae75daba935de08209a30a2fbfe913dc/gramps/gen/const.py#L140) that might be pertinent. In an experiment with Example.gramps on a fresh install of Gramps 5.2.1 on a restored to default Windows 10 Pro, the thumbnails were not showing. (Had red ‘x’ icon). Also, the thumb directories identified by the Python Eval script were not populated. The media all had Relative paths. So until the relative Media path was correctly set, no thumbnails were created. ```python from gramps.gen import const # Create a dictionary using a dictionary comprehension ENV = { name: value for name, value in vars(const).items() if name.isupper() and not name.startswith('_') and isinstance(value, (str, int, float, bool)) } # Print each item in the dictionary for key, value in ENV.items(): print(f"{key} : {value}") ``` for a more refined script, see [Troubleshooting Gramps paths and environmental variables](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/troubleshooting-gramps-paths-and-environmental-variables/5692) ---
**Author:** ![Nick-Hall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/nick-hall/32/95_2.png) [@Nick-Hall](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Nick-Hall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/9 "2024-07-01T15:29:16Z")
Gramps obtains the operating system user cache directory and then appends `gramps\thumb` to it. I’m not sure why `INetCache` doesn’t exist. Do you get any error messages on the console? Are you sure that the directory is not just hidden by default? ---
**Author:** ![Woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/woody/32/3406_2.png) [@Woody](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Woody)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/10 "2024-07-01T15:50:32Z")
I have shown all hidden directories. There is no error message ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/gramps/original/2X/e/e17b89957102b0fbffde9a137e447da5e1a99a70.png) visible from the console. ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/gramps/original/2X/1/16f36b1c7975325e0dbb19997a7373e8c474096f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Nick-Hall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/nick-hall/32/95_2.png) [@Nick-Hall](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Nick-Hall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/12 "2024-07-01T16:43:16Z")
The directory `AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\IE` is used to store Internet Explorer cache files, so `AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb` seems like a reasonable directory for Gramps thumbnail files. ---
**Author:** ![Woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/woody/32/3406_2.png) [@Woody](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Woody)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/13 "2024-07-01T17:17:18Z")
the Script returns the following: ```python VERSION : AIO64-5.2.2-r1-f905d14 (NOT A DIRECTORY) (NOT HIDDEN) PROGRAM_NAME : Gramps URL_HOMEPAGE : http://gramps-project.org/ (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_MAILINGLIST : http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=25770 (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_BUGHOME : http://gramps-project.org/bugs (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_BUGTRACKER : http://gramps-project.org/bugs/bug_report_page.php (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_WIKISTRING : http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title= (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_MANUAL_PAGE : Gramps_5.2_Wiki_Manual (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_MANUAL_DATA : Gramps_5.2_Wiki_Manual_-_Entering_and_editing_data:_detailed (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_MANUAL_SECT1 : Gramps_5.2_Wiki_Manual_-_Entering_and_editing_data:_detailed_-_part_1 (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_MANUAL_SECT2 : Gramps_5.2_Wiki_Manual_-_Entering_and_editing_data:_detailed_-_part_2 (NOT A DIRECTORY) URL_MANUAL_SECT3 : Gramps_5.2_Wiki_Manual_-_Entering_and_editing_data:_detailed_-_part_3 (NOT A DIRECTORY) WIKI_FAQ : FAQ (NOT A DIRECTORY) WIKI_KEYBINDINGS : Gramps_5.2_Wiki_Manual_-_Keybindings (NOT A DIRECTORY) WIKI_EXTRAPLUGINS : 5.2_Addons (NOT A DIRECTORY) WIKI_EXTRAPLUGINS_RAWDATA : Plugins5.2&action=raw (NOT A DIRECTORY) APP_FAMTREE : x-directory/normal (NOT A DIRECTORY) APP_GRAMPS : application/x-gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) APP_GRAMPS_XML : application/x-gramps-xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) APP_GEDCOM : application/x-gedcom (NOT A DIRECTORY) APP_GRAMPS_PKG : application/x-gramps-package (NOT A DIRECTORY) APP_GENEWEB : application/x-geneweb (NOT A DIRECTORY) (NOT HIDDEN) USER_HOME : C:\Users\stanw HOME_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Roaming\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) ORIG_HOME_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Roaming\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) (NOT HIDDEN) USER_DATA : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps (NOT HIDDEN) USER_CONFIG : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps (NOT HIDDEN) USER_CACHE : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps (NOT HIDDEN) USER_PICTURES : C:\Users\stanw\Pictures VERSION_DIR_NAME : gramps52 (NOT A DIRECTORY) (NOT HIDDEN) VERSION_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52 (NOT HIDDEN) USER_DATA_VERSION : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52 CUSTOM_FILTERS : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52\custom_filters.xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) REPORT_OPTIONS : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\report_options.xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) TOOL_OPTIONS : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\tool_options.xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) PLACE_FORMATS : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\place_formats.xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) (NOT HIDDEN) THUMB_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb (NOT HIDDEN) THUMB_NORMAL : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb\normal (NOT HIDDEN) THUMB_LARGE : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb\large (NOT HIDDEN) USER_PLUGINS : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52\plugins (NOT HIDDEN) USER_CSS : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\css LIB_PATH : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52\plugins\lib (NOT A DIRECTORY) (NOT HIDDEN) ROOT_DIR : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps (NOT HIDDEN) GLADE_DIR : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps\gui\glade GLADE_FILE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps\gui\glade\gramps.glade (NOT A DIRECTORY) PERSON_GLADE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps\gui\glade\edit_person.glade (NOT A DIRECTORY) PLUGINS_GLADE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps\gui\glade\plugins.glade (NOT A DIRECTORY) MERGE_GLADE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps\gui\glade\mergedata.glade (NOT A DIRECTORY) RULE_GLADE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps\gui\glade\rule.glade (NOT A DIRECTORY) (NOT HIDDEN) PLUGINS_DIR : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\gramps\plugins (NOT HIDDEN) DATA_DIR : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps (NOT HIDDEN) IMAGE_DIR : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps\images TIP_DATA : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps\tips.xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) PAPERSIZE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps\papersize.xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) ICON : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps\images\gramps.png (NOT A DIRECTORY) LOGO : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps\images\logo.png (NOT A DIRECTORY) SPLASH : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps\images\splash.jpg (NOT A DIRECTORY) LICENSE_FILE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\doc\gramps\COPYING (NOT A DIRECTORY) GTK_GETTEXT_DOMAIN : gtk30 (NOT A DIRECTORY) COPYRIGHT_MSG : © 2001-2006 Donald N. Allingham © 2007-2024 The Gramps Developers (NOT A DIRECTORY) COMMENTS : Gramps ist ein Genealogieprogramm, das sowohl intuitiv für Amateure als auch ein vollständiges Werkzeug für professionelle Genealogen ist. (NOT A DIRECTORY) AUTHORS_FILE : C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-5.2.2\share\gramps\authors.xml (NOT A DIRECTORY) XMLFILE : data.gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) NO_SURNAME : (kein) (NOT A DIRECTORY) NO_GIVEN : (kein) (NOT A DIRECTORY) ARABIC_COMMA : ، (NOT A DIRECTORY) ARABIC_SEMICOLON : ؛ (NOT A DIRECTORY) DOCGEN_OPTIONS : Docgen Options (NOT A DIRECTORY) COLON : : (NOT A DIRECTORY) SHORTOPTS : O:U:P:C:i:e:f:a:p:d:c:r:lLthuv?syqSD: (NOT A DIRECTORY) ``` And it says that the directory exist?? (NOT HIDDEN) USER\_CACHE : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps I don´t know … ---
**Author:** ![emyoulation](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/emyoulation/32/67_2.png) [@emyoulation](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/emyoulation)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/14 "2024-07-01T18:30:05Z")
The following directory should include 2 subdirectories: `normal` and `large` that contain what thumbnails have been generated. (Adjusting the size of the thumbnail is [discussed in another thread](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/size-of-images-on-peoples-entries-and-icon-size/5307/3).) > [@Woody](#): > > `C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb` ---
**Author:** ![Woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/woody/32/3406_2.png) [@Woody](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Woody)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/15 "2024-07-01T19:29:18Z")
THX, but the directory after \windows are not there … ---
**Author:** ![emyoulation](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/emyoulation/32/67_2.png) [@emyoulation](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/emyoulation)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/16 "2024-07-01T19:33:07Z")
Are thumbnails showing up for your media in Gramps? Or do they all have icon that look like a red x in a box? ---
**Author:** ![Nick-Hall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/nick-hall/32/95_2.png) [@Nick-Hall](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Nick-Hall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/17 "2024-07-01T19:57:33Z")
> [@Woody](#): > > THX, but the directory after \windows are not there … What happens if you create the `INetCache` directory and then run Gramps again? ---
**Author:** ![emyoulation](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/emyoulation/32/67_2.png) [@emyoulation](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/emyoulation)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/18 "2024-07-01T22:53:57Z")
Two of most likely possibilities that this folder wouldn’t exist are: - Third-party security software: Some security programs might interfere with or alter the location of browser cache folders. - Use of alternative browsers: If Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge are not used, this folder might not be created or populated. ---
**Author:** ![DaveSch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/davesch/32/40_2.png) [@DaveSch](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/DaveSch)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/19 "2024-07-01T23:37:02Z")
> [@Woody](#): > > ```python > HOME_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Roaming\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) > ORIG_HOME_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Roaming\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) > (NOT HIDDEN) USER_DATA : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps > (NOT HIDDEN) USER_CONFIG : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps > (NOT HIDDEN) USER_CACHE : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps > (NOT HIDDEN) USER_PICTURES : C:\Users\stanw\Pictures > > (NOT HIDDEN) VERSION_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52 > (NOT HIDDEN) USER_DATA_VERSION : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52 > > (NOT HIDDEN) THUMB_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb > (NOT HIDDEN) THUMB_NORMAL : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb\normal > (NOT HIDDEN) THUMB_LARGE : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\gramps\thumb\large > > ``` From @Woody’s output, the HOME\_DIR and ORIG\_HOME\_DIR are listed as (NOT A DIRECTORY). I take this to mean that the directory was NOT created. The three THUMB\_ directories and USER\_CACHE are list as created just like USER\_DATA and USER\_CONFIG. * * * Personally, I do not like the idea that the thumbnails (and Maps ?) shunted out of the user’s directory. ---
**Author:** ![Nick-Hall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/nick-hall/32/95_2.png) [@Nick-Hall](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Nick-Hall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/20 "2024-07-01T23:58:02Z")
> [@DaveSch](#): > > Personally, I do not like the idea that the thumbnails (and Maps ?) shunted out of the user’s directory. The XDG specification separates the data, configuration and cache directories. By default these are located under the user’s home directory. In Linux these directories are configurable using environment variables. ---
**Author:** ![emyoulation](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/emyoulation/32/67_2.png) [@emyoulation](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/emyoulation)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690/21 "2024-07-02T00:08:22Z")
> [@DaveSch](#): > > From @Woody’s output, the HOME\_DIR and ORIG\_HOME\_DIR are listed as (NOT A DIRECTORY). I take this to mean that the directory was NOT created. My Windows box reports “not a directory” too. On that machine it is because the constants are set to the old ‘Roaming’ path, not the actual new ‘Local’ folder. > [@Troubleshooting Gramps paths and environmental variables](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/troubleshooting-gramps-paths-and-environmental-variables/5692/3): > > ```python > HOME_DIR : C:\Users\my_username\AppData\Roaming\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) > ORIG_HOME_DIR : C:\Users\my_username\AppData\Roaming\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY) > > ``` Could there be a mistake in the routine that creates (or leverages the pre XDG path for upgrades) the [Gramps User Directory](https://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/Gramps_Glossary#user_directory) in Windows? Where it decides the opposite (old) path when it should use the new path? The paths immediately below have a valid 'Local` in their breadcrumbs. > [@Woody](#): > > `HOME_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\` ~~`Roaming`~~ `\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY)` > `ORIG_HOME_DIR : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\` ~~`Roaming`~~ `\gramps (NOT A DIRECTORY)` > `(NOT HIDDEN) USER_DATA : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\``Local``\gramps` > `(NOT HIDDEN) USER_CONFIG : C:\Users\stanw\AppData\``Local``\gramps` The `LIB_PATH` also claims that it is not a directory. But it IS showing `Local`. Maybe it wasn’t created? > [@Troubleshooting Gramps paths and environmental variables](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/troubleshooting-gramps-paths-and-environmental-variables/5692/3): > > ```python > LIB_PATH : C:\Users\my_username\AppData\Local\gramps\gramps52\plugins\lib (NOT A DIRECTORY) > > ``` [Next page](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/gramps-thumbnails/5690.md?page=2)