# Enclosing a street address **URL:** \ **Category:** Help\ **Created:** [February 10, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856 "2024-02-10T20:49:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![martin\_gramps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@martin\_gramps](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/martin_gramps)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/1 "2024-02-10T20:49:21Z")
Gramps provide great functionality for enclosing a historic place with another, such as “Main Hospital” enclosed by “Main Street”. I wondered how others are enclosing a historic, numbered street address. For instance, “1 Acacia Avenue” is a house enclosed by “Acacia Avenue”. If there are multiple houses recorded in that avenue, then it works well in the Gramps database, you drill down from “Acacia Avenue” to the individual houses (an example is when ancestors lived in the same street). However, it results in repetition in the narrated Web site, where the house will show as “1 Acacia Avenue, Acacia Avenue”. I can’t see a way round this and data integrity in the database is more important than the report so I guess it is an acceptable compromise. Who do others think ? ---
**Author:** ![Davesellers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/davesellers/32/1457_2.png) [@Davesellers](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Davesellers)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/2 "2024-02-10T21:13:24Z")
In the Places I only go down to the Town or Neighborhood, not to the street. Gramps has an address tab for that purpose. ---
**Author:** ![comeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@comeng](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/comeng)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/3 "2024-02-10T21:27:20Z")
I use the facility a lot have found for me the best idea is to have Acacia Avenue, 1, then 2,3,4 come along, I then create the Street as place so I have Acacia Avenue once and within that the house numbers 1,2,3,4 etc The benefit of doing the house numbers (also do house names same way)after the name is that they group themselves better and it is easier to see the same street Phil ---
**Author:** ![DaveSch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/davesch/32/40_2.png) [@DaveSch](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/DaveSch)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/4 "2024-02-10T21:31:24Z")
Welcome! Currently there is no way to have Gramps automatically shorten an address for subsequent instances of the place. Before migrating to Gramps I would often forgo adding a place name to a death if it was the same as the birth. But this was losing the information for the next generation continuing my efforts. > [@martin\_gramps](#): > > where the house will show as “1 Acacia Avenue, Acacia Avenue”. Actually, you should create the street record " Acacia Avenue" with the type **Street**. The next level down will be just the house number “1” with the type **Number** , With this method there would be “1 Acacia Avenue” and maybe another address for “123 Acacia Avenue”. Now, in [Preferences](https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_5.1_Wiki_Manual_-_Settings#Place_Format_Editor) (menu \>\> Edit \>\> Preferences) you can set the Number Street display. With the specific place types, **Street** and **Number** you can set Gramps to automatically display either as “1 Acacia Avenue” or “Acacia Avenue 1” with the comma removed. Currently you can have only one option for all place name displays so depending on your location and where your ancestors lived will dictate which way makes sense. Hopefully in future versions a user could set the display option depending on the country. ---
**Author:** ![martin\_gramps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@martin\_gramps](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/martin_gramps)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/5 "2024-02-10T21:42:50Z")
Thank you Phil do you just have the numbers as the place or repeat the streetname I the building as per my example. This approach would work well for me because I have generally used Place rather than Address Martin ---
**Author:** ![DaveSch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/davesch/32/40_2.png) [@DaveSch](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/DaveSch)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/6 "2024-02-10T21:46:19Z")
You can set up other Place Name Display options. My main option I have named “Number Street” with that as the Street format. But I also have a display option named “Populated Place”. This uses the Level entry “p0,-2”. When I am using Graphs this shortens all place names to just the City and State. This works for me in the U.S. Your location may need other settings. Some views and reports allow setting the place name option for the view or report leaving another option as the default. Sometimes I need to set the default, do the graph report, then switch back to my main full option. ---
**Author:** ![comeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@comeng](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/comeng)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/7 "2024-02-10T21:57:58Z")
OK You got me beat where is the address tab, I have Place Tree and Places neither of which uses the word address Phil ---
**Author:** ![Davesellers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/davesellers/32/1457_2.png) [@Davesellers](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Davesellers)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/8 "2024-02-10T22:12:00Z")
It is in People. You can enter an address with a date. ---
**Author:** ![comeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@comeng](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/comeng)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 7:59am UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/9 "2024-02-11T07:59:48Z")
Never use it too limited in its scope most of my addresses are created through Forms and cover multiple people i.e. Census ---
**Author:** ![comeng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@comeng](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/comeng)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 8:28am UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/10 "2024-02-11T08:28:01Z")
Martin Just done one of my streets as shown in the images where I have moved 3 individual locations in the same street Logical order of viewing Places 1, Place Tree, Places 3. ![Places 1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/gramps/original/2X/8/848599956ee3300139f01d06989418a12afdc214.png) ![Place Tree](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/gramps/original/2X/2/23839d57df87b3482529d15b8dad1e10ae6c0df1.png) ![Places 3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/gramps/original/2X/1/1c0b970b23603eb883be7d2bcd5434dc06271c57.png) Hope this explains usually only do it with 3 or more houses in same street problems with very long roads which cross multiple urban districts but not very common. Phil ---
**Author:** ![SNoiraud](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/snoiraud/32/72_2.png) [@SNoiraud](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/SNoiraud)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/11 "2024-02-11T08:37:17Z")
> [@martin\_gramps](#): > > For instance, “1 Acacia Avenue” is a house enclosed … When you use a house in a street, you should only set the number. If you set “1 Acacia Avenue” for the house, this will show what you see. ---
**Author:** ![pgerlier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/41988e/32.png) [@pgerlier](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/pgerlier)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 10:05am UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/12 "2024-02-11T10:05:23Z")
> [@Davesellers](#): > > Gramps has an address tab for that purpose. Place and Address are not replacements for each other. From my analysis of the Gramps objects and their relationships: - _Address_ can be attached to _Person_ or _Repository_ Curiously, not to _Family_ where it makes sense, though. - _Place_ is attached only to an _Event_ And also to itself for the “Enclosed by” relationship. The main difference between an address and a place is in the “significance”. An _Address_ seems to have a “primary” role and can be annotated with _Citation_s and _Note_s. _Obviously, attributes, media and tags are missing._ A _Place_ is only referenced indirectly by an _Event_. Annotations can be attached both in the event (generic and global circumstances) and in the place (nearly full collection: citation, media, note, tag – attributes are missing, strange). There also exists a _Location_ object, very similar to an _Address_. It is only attached to a _Place_ and can’t be annotated. Usages of _Address_ and _Place_ are fundamentally different. You can’t define a date range for an _Address_. Then it is impossible to give a validity period to it. Storing this kind of data in a note is possible but won’t be taken into account by Gramps because it is not chronological data technically. All _Address_es wil be considered “equal”. An _Address_ is “leaf data”: it is not hierarchical. Since _Place_ is attached to an _Event_, it is supposed to be valid or accurate for the date or date range of the event. Therefore, successive “addresses” can be recorded as additional information to an event of type “moving”. Since _Place_ is hierarchical, it also tracks the various administrative changes of the lower level categories. This is useful for name changes. ---
**Author:** ![martin\_gramps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@martin\_gramps](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/martin_gramps)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 11:28am UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/13 "2024-02-11T11:28:11Z")
Thank you it’s helpful to know there is a number object for place ---
**Author:** ![martin\_gramps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@martin\_gramps](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/martin_gramps)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/14 "2024-02-11T12:38:41Z")
Looks great thank you. So in this case you used a single number for the house with the object type Number? Also useful to see how the boundary crossing can be recorded Martin ---
**Author:** ![Mihle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/gramps.discourse.group/mihle/32/612_2.png) [@Mihle](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/Mihle)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/15 "2024-02-11T18:34:07Z")
I have yet to have anyone in my database that have lived/events have taken place on the same street but different address (where I know the address ofc), So Currently I just put the street name and number as a single location. I might change that at some point in the future, dont know yet. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/gramps/original/1X/2ac1e712b7adf612e31ca08a55419f4cf37c0158.png) [@system](https://gramps.discourse.group/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://gramps.discourse.group/t/enclosing-a-street-address/4856/16 "2024-03-12T18:34:38Z")
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